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HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴

Still using and not the much securer ?

Maybe this might help you 2 reconsider:

owner and former Oligarch,
"... was arrested at the Le Bourget airport outside of Paris in August 2024 and faces numerous charges related to his social network, including allowing terrorism, drug trafficking, fraud, money laundering, and child abuse content on Telegram. The founder of the messaging app 👉faces up to 20 years in prison👈."

kyivindependent.com/telegram-c

The Kyiv Independent · Telegram CEO Durov returns to Dubai amid French investigationBy Martin Fornusek
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@HistoPol better a decentralized system not in company hands

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HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴

@thevril

👉Which To Replace the with? 👈

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True, however the most important criterion is that a replacement messenger app for must have any chance at replacing .
As a friend of mine phrased it here on Mastodon: "I have a hard time convincing my friend and family even to switch to [the known services,] or .
As...

Colored table with data-collection comparison. Note: not up to date anymore, see thread for details). Source: Found on the web
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HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴

@thevril

👉Which To Replace the with? 👈

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... I've pointed out in an older thread 🧵 here and Cory @pluralistic in a now famous speech about , there's the severe lock-in effect, the negative aspects of the .

There are and , the "ancient" and "obvious" choices. I've never used them but from what I've read, they were never able to gain much market share and are...

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HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴

👉Which To Replace the with? 👈

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@thevril @pluralistic

... still relegated to the "nerd niche," maybe unjustly so by now, IDK. (?)

mstdn.social/@distopico/111007

As @kino put it succintly in that convo,

"👉At this point I'm not taking the open source == good (just coz) argument at face...

Mastodon 🐘Distopico (@distopico@mstdn.social)@HistoPol@mastodon.social @kino@mamot.fr @smallcircles@social.coop that is one of my points, why if we have XMPP and Matrix we want to promote more options? That makes pretty hard to the end user choice one of those, XMPP, Matrix, SimpleXChat, Jam,DeltaXChat and Signal,Threema these last two with close/restrictive parts, I prefer promote the others that respect the user freedom and privacy and have similar features privacy/e2e encryption video/calls + federation/decentralized, transparency etc
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HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴

@thevril @pluralistic @kino

👉Which To Replace the with? 👈

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....value anymore.👈 The future of always seems somehow, em.. unconfirmed? An interesting project. I wonder where it will go. There's been a LOT of [] funding up to now, one might assume some return is expected at some point. Maybe not though. I've run servers in the past,...

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HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴

@thevril @pluralistic @kino

👉Which To Replace the with? 👈

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... I still have one, but 👉federated just somehow can't seem to take hold outside of its own niche" 👈.

If you wanted to dig down even further, you'd get to the point where you'd have to deal with :

eattherich.club/@jmhorner/1109

A French 🇫🇷 librarian association made an...

ETRJM Horner ™️ (@jmhorner@eattherich.club)@HistoPol@mastodon.social @smallcircles@social.coop Sweet! :-) For those who do not know, XMPP is a protocol (similar to the ActivityPub protocol being used by various fediverse services) that has many client applications. I can't think of any proprietary clients, though one or more may exist somewhere. XMPP actually spawned from Jabber (the protocol Google Talk originally used), and it is generally used for instant messaging style communications. It has the ability to include media, and can be end-to-end encrypted with [most commonly] OTR, OMEMO, or PGP. Jitsy on the other hand is a little more complicated, and in fact includes some XMPP interoperability. It has video conferencing services similar to what you might find in Teams or Zoom. It is open source, and can support end-to-end encryption when using a Chromium based browser. Both XMPP and Jitsy servers may or may not log IP addresses in the same way a web server like Apache or NGINX does. Though I imagine if that were added to the list for them, it would need to be added to the list for all of the others as well. Unique identifiers such as email address and phone number are simply not required for using either, and I am not aware of any XMPP or Jitsy services that have any advertising. Thanks for making the chart and if you have any other questions, do please let me know. :-)
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@HistoPol
Was meinst du mit "eigener Nische"? Du vergleichst schließlich mit whatsapp, das, vom mangelden Interconnect betrachtet, noch weniger aus seiner viel engeren Nische bricht.

Einzig die angeblich geringen Nutzerzahlen, wenn man die diversen Ingamechats ignoriert die auf Basis xmpp laufen und daß auch whatsapp im Grunde nur kapitalisiertes xmpp ist, verorten es so nischig wie das fediverse wenn es um soso-Netzwerke geht. 🙃
@thevril @pluralistic @kino

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HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴

@stubenhocker

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Gegenüber und -Produkten sind faktisch alle Zwerge oder gar Ameisen (gewesen), siehe meine Untere Grafik:

mastodon.social/@HistoPol/1106

Es ist schon schwierig Leute dazu zu bewegen, oder gar zu benutzen, über die wenigstens in Nicht-IT-Publikationen geschrieben wird.

Ich kenne z. B. nach wie vor niemand persönlich, der mit entsprechenden "Geek-Apps" benutzt.

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@thevril @pluralistic @kino

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HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴

@stubenhocker @thevril @pluralistic @kino

... ist vom Bekanntheitsgrad nach meiner Einschätzung etwas unter , jedoch vor .

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@HistoPol
Xmpp ist wohl das am meisten unwissentlich genutzte System, also unbekannt, obwohl "meine" App / Game es nutzt. 😁
@thevril @pluralistic @kino

HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴

@stubenhocker

Apps mit -Protokoll

Na ja, es ist ja nur ein Protokoll, genau wie das protocol fürs Fediversum.

Das war mal überfällig--Übersicht über mögliche Apps:

eversten.net/blog/tabelle/

Ich vermute mal, die können auch alle miteinander komunizieren.

Mich würden die aktiven Nutzerzahlen interessieren, aber nachdem 95% der Apps nach dem 3. Monat nicht mehr genutzt werden...

"Messenger, die den offenen Standard xmpp.org verwenden."
@thevril @pluralistic @kino

eversten.netEntscheidungshilfe für XMPP Apps - eversten.net
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Schlüssellochkind 👁️

@HistoPol Naja, ähnlich wie es dein Hinweis aufs fediverse schon macht, geht es wohl eher darum eine Barriere im Kopf aufzulösem, die vielleicht dazu beiträgt xmpp in die Nerdecke zu schieben.

Es sind ja nicht die Apps die miteinander kommunizieren, nur weil whatsapp, facebook & co beschlossen haben xmpp proprietär zu nutzen und ihre Server von der Föderation auszuschließen.

Bei Email fragt eigentlich auch niemand: "Welche App issn das?" 🤷‍♂️

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